ADC Tier List 11.3 Best ADC Champion 11.3 Tier List ...

This post is to tally the opinions I'm seeing in one spot, run them past everyone, and get more feedback about them. Especially any critiques or differences of opinion I missed.
At the top of the "Hate" List is ADC. Riot seems to have dropped a bomb on ADC and especially crit. It is so bad that inspite of finally getting some situation response items, the crit changes (without making the bigger crit items cheaper) and in some cases increasing crit prices has resulted in a significant nerf. This is especially true of any ADC who does not benefit from Rageblade or Manamune, and many of those are not safe. Kraken Slayer is worthless against Tanks, the very role it is supposed to counter. Shieldbow is just too strong (comparably) compared to the other mythic. Galeforce isn't useful expect in the increasingly rare instances that a Marksman snowballs. At this point, the only thing an ADC counters is another ADC. They cannot kill tanks, Shieldbow still does not stop assassins from slaughtering an ADC, Mages have near equal ease.
Edit: Counter argument suggests the issue is that ADCs are simply refusing to properly adapt to the item changes and adjust playstyles to match. Lucian, Twitch, Vayne, Varus, and Ashe offered as examples.
Next on the "Hate" list we have Tanks. Their playstyle has forcibly shifted because all their mythic build Sunfire passive now, but only one tank item builds mana. They anticipate mana shortages being a problem. Their ability to freeze lanes is much reduced.. Some of the items are more expensive, others less, and they have no responses to Damage over time anymore, with MR being argued to be a net loss due to mage buffs and a proliferation of Magic Penetration. They can't keep up with anything but ADCs.
Edit: Counter argument presented says Tanks are nigh unkillable and Bruisers are doing fabulous thanks to new item builds. Tanks dominate win rates at the moment (8/10 top winrates) and they are actually strongest.
Supports are... basically in the same position as before, being nerfed to prevent support items getting abused outside the role and not getting much (but not getting nothing either). A net neutral if only because two other big roles got hurt.
EDIT: Thanks to u/Fictitious1267 for offering a better summary. Supports are still suffering from s10 nerfs, and now all their item costs have gone up while their CDR has been replaced with a net loss amount of AH. In essence, they're hurting. See his comment for a more thorough explanation.
Mages and assassins are apparently doing really good. A handful of mage items don't do what they used to, but mages have cheap anti-heal at last, and a lot of other strong choices. Assassins apparently seem to have gotten a straight buff, getting lots of new powerful itemization options for what amounts to no trade-offs or nerfs. At least, that's what I think I've been seeing.
So, what did I miss, what do you think, how do we expand or suggest solutions to these problems, what evidence do you have for or against these opinions?

Recently I found this video, I thought it might be useful to translate to the English audience, due to LPL general audience seemingly having a very different (and somewhat deeper) understanding of the game. The following is not my views, just the view of the video maker.
Anyways, the dude starts out with a disclaimer: he is just a self-made media, he could be wrong, but try to focus on his thought process, and decide for yourself if he is right.

• LPL LCK difference in MSC was due to different solutions to the "exam problem" of the version change from 10.7 to 10.10.
  
• During LPL Spring Playoffs, the best ADCs were Varus, then Kalista, then MF and Aphelios. Due to rend being nerfed in 10.8, Kalista falls out of the top tier by MSC.
  
• He starts talking about "poke trend". Poke trend is the unified response by the LCK and LPL to the new dragon soul season. The thought process earlier in the season was that controlling the dragon requires fighting, so teamfight oriented champs like mf, rumble, ornn, azir. But as understanding of the season continued, teams started using poke champs like Varus, Ezreal, Kalista to get lane priority in bot to setup for dragons.
  
• Baron nerf combined with other changes to season 10 meant easier to get advantages, harder to close out game. Therefore, team have more incentive to pick poke champs because it is harder to defend a siege while being poked down. To close out games, the dragon is now crucial, while the baron, not so much. So poke champs are double incentivized because they a. allow dragon control and b. make defending harder, so closing out games easier, especially with baron.
  
• Poke used to have a problem, which is, its hard to take baron due to lower DPS on ADC. However, with this season, this problem has become irrelevant, as baron is irrelevant, and only dragon soul matters. Baron is nice to have however.
  
• So by 10.10 (MSC patch), everyone is picking poke, resulting in Varus with 108% Pick ban, with Ezreal Aphelios taking the next spots. This is common understanding between LPL and LCK.
  
• Difference between LCK and LPL toplane understanding. Case study: Jayce. Jayce in LPL was in the gutter during Spring, both unpopular and had low win rate. However, LCK Jayce was had 62% win rate, high ban rates and 25 games played.
  
• LPL and LCK have different toplane understanding due to different playstyle, LCK is known for steady macro style, nearly makes you fall asleep, emphasizes highest reward for lowest risk. LCK combines getting advantages from BP through counters or easy safe matchups + getting advantages from jungle vision, finding situations where you outnumber opponents, in order to maximize advantage for toplane.
  
• Example: T1 vs FPX, Jayce vs Vlad. Jayce counters Vlad early, but in the end, he didn't really even get that much of an advantage, and was unable to hold back the scaling of the Vlad. However, what comes after shows difference between LCK and LPL; T1 makes Jayce split push, investing tons of vision to ensure his safety. This ensures Jayce can continue in a 1v1 situation where the champ excels. Due to vision advantage, Jayce can both oppress opponent in lane in split push, while also getting to the fight faster than you, not to mention using vision advantage to surprise you to solo kill you, etc. This is LCK's understanding of toplane, and what led to SSG's Season 7 championship.
  
• With theShy being in LPL, caused LPL to have a different understanding of toplane, which is: if you did well in lane, you must team fight, if you did comparatively worse in lane, it is even more important that you teamfight. If you get counter lane in LPL, the jungle and other lanes will come to help you to maximize counter advantage in laning phase, with aggressive tower dives etc.
  
• To summarize, LPL has laning phase and teamfight phase (5v5 ARAM), while LCK has laning phase, then look to extend laning phase into midgame. Therefore, LCK laners do not hurry to oppress opponent, as what is important is that its relatively easier for you to farm up compared to your opponent. Metaphorically, LPL is a straight fist to the face, while LCK is death from a thousand cuts.
  
• The difference in style can be seen from BP (ban pick), T1 chooses to ban Irelia vs FPX, yet neither Khan nor Doinb play very much Irelia. Other LCK teams did a similar ban. LCK doesn't look for absolute counters in toplane, just looking for easy to play, easy to farm up and scale picks. This comes with the issue that its harder to transfer a lead into victory. Therefore, as long as LPL teams don't mess up too much in laning phase, once midgame comes around, it becomes much easier to just blow open the LCK macro. Furthermore, the vision investment in assuring the split push laner safety means less vision for main teamfight, which means lack of vision leading to the team getting caught out. LCK risk averse style means they are also too hesitant, while this worked in the past due to laner skill difference, nowadays with LPL and LCK laners going toe to toe, the flaws are starting to show.
  
• He starts talking about individual teams. JDG as the Spring champions found it hard to find other teams for inspiration, so they continued their Spring playoff's understanding and playstyle. But the patch changes caused their mf ornn combo to suddenly be out of place. It was still kinda ok for them, but too many problems with execution led to their MSC failure.
  
• JDG's issue with jungle was that Kanavi likes Marksmen junglers or mage junglers, when Graves and Kindred are gone, he can only look for mage junglers. And FPX took advantage of Kanavi's tendency to gank early, farm midgame, so they invaded him often midgame to make him irrelevant. This was a result of learning from their earlier mistakes in Spring where Tian was trying to gank while Kanavi was farming, and if Tian failed to catch people, Kanavi could then have more impact than him in teamfights. So FPX, after learning from mistakes vs JDG in Spring, rekt them through abusing Kanavi's weaknesses. Not to mention mf being weaker meant JDG's favored pick of mf couldn't defend Kanavi's jungle anymore. In summary, FPX figured out Kanavi->figured out JDG and beat them.
  
• Moving on to FPX. FPX took a season to finally work Khan into their team. Last season FPX revolved around Tian, however with S10 jungle nerfs, if Tian ends up walking back to empty camps after being counterjungled, then he's in big trouble.
  
• Doinb therefore tries playing carries for stability, but that also mean Tian gets less resources. Therefore, he looked much worse this season due to jungle getting fucked, causing instability in his performance in Spring, as you can't get 100% return rates on every investment on ganks, fights, etc. Once you fail to get return on investment, you're wasted.
  
• FPX tried Marksmen jungle, experimented with other new picks, but even throughout MSC, you could see Tian's struggle with new jungle. However, all Tian needs is time, getting Khan into the team was the more exciting thing to see, and FPX trying new things in MSC was also great.
  
• Moving onto IG. IG bombing out of MSC means they're no longer a tier 1 team. To understand what is going on with theShy and IG, we need to look back at Spring. On March 11, patch 10.4, theShy brings out Kalista top, causing ludicrous economic difference between toplaners, resulting in IG experimenting with other different marksmen toplaners, such as Vayne. The concept is that such marksmen oppress opponent toplaners from developing and farming up as much, turning the game into a 4v5, thereby increasing teamfight advantage. In order to teamfight, you must stay roughly economically equal. If gold difference is too large, you cannot win teamfights. Therefore, marksmen top was a good solution to winning teamfights...but the meta as we mentioned, has been moving towards poke heavy comps.
  
• IG looked so good in Spring due to teamfight playing to IG strengths, and theShy was able to assert pressure in BP, with nobody believing he couldn't play Sett well, and other picks like Rumble and Ornn being up. With 10.5 changes to make toplane more impactful, IG continue to develop their concept of using marksmen to oppress opponent toplaners->4v5 = win teamfight, with a formula emerging which is Quinn for renekton, vayne for mordekaiser.
  
• In IG vs JDG, theShy being less than stellar on Sett was exposed, leading to less pressure from him on BP, especially since Leyan also can't play Sett. But this is a major issue, as Sett is a meta champion these few patches, upon failing to make it work, IG gave up and moved towards the LCK's champ of choice, Jayce. However, that doesn't fly in the LPL, so theShy just can't look good on Jayce due to the champ not suiting LPL meta and playstyle. LCK uses Jayce to continually get ahead by extending laning phase, while LPL's laning phase actually ends, which means theShy is on a short timer to lane kingdom his opponent, which rarely can happen.
  
• Regular season IG was trying new things and experimenting, but failed in playoffs because they suddenly just ran out of champions, because their investment in practicing picks in the regular season got banned away, picked, or weren't suitable in the meta. This was a major issue as from patch 10.7, everything became super bot focused, while IG is a top-jungle-mid heavy team, so their lack of strong botlane became an issue. While other teams also tried to BP for toplane advantage, they don't depend entirely on toplane advantage, so other teams fared better.
  
• IG also failed to keep up in meta understanding. 10.7 patch, Wukong was permaban, but by 10.10, he started to be let through again due to 10.9 nerfs, so Wukong now being let through meant theShy's marksmen now got countered, as Wukong can easily turn the lane over and run over the marksman once he gets any advantage. This is an extra large issue because theShy seems to have gotten mechanically worse as well, lots of weird situations and fights where theShy just randomly dies.
  
• The new jungle as well as current jungle pool is a poor fit for Ning as well, combined with Puff+Southwind being unstable/not that good, means Rookie is the only person looking good. Its a big issue because especially in current meta, botlane cannot die, especially not in a 2v2 death with no investment from other lanes/jungle. Rookie is also struggling, as the Neeko he invested in disappeared from the meta, and Rumble etc. as well. So he ends up with Syndra and LB, none of his investments in Spring paid off. A player practicing a pick also requires his team to practice with him to play around that specific champion pick. etc.
  
• According to his opinion, Sett not being practiced was a major dealbreaker for MSC, as the natural response to Ornn is Aatrox or Sett, but IG only can play Aatrox, so that gets easily banned away.
  
• In summary, multiple factors combined together led to IG imploding the past few months, no idea how they'll go from here or what the outlook is.
  
• Moving on to TES, in all the games vs LCK, they didn't lose a single tower on the high ground (the base), exposing LCK over reliance on macro to the point where their offensive ability is too weak. TES look so much better because everyone found their role on the team. TES in Spring relied too heavily on Karsa. Knight loves farming and scaling, but development requires time. Karsa past 15 mins loses presence, and Knight also looks out of place on roams. But MSC, Knight improves his roaming, working with Karsa, was able to build advantages for other lanes, allowing him to develop safely. Mid jungle finding their coordination also improved game rhythm such that TES now has non-stop pressure on the offensive. This means that once Karsa is about to exit his comfort zone in the midgame, TES are already about to get dragon soul, which means the fast paced meta perfectly suits them, makes it feel like TES are unstoppable with the slightest advantage.
  
• YYJ and 369 also improved, talks about 369 being able to carry more now, and is just an overall well rounded toplaner.
  
• Talks about "solo kill", "gank", "counter gank (I think?)" being high variance, the most fundamental and consistent factor to success is map movement for faster supporting of teammates, leading to situations where you outnumber the opponent. Working as a team means you have tons of failsafes, no need to be dependent on one player to carry.
  

Translator thoughts: Kind of already covered what we knew about LCK vs LPL, biggest takeaway seems to be explanation of the rise of TES, fall of IG, and FPX and JDG's struggles in MSC. Also interesting to see differing ban pick concepts between LPL and LCK. As well as a clip of Ning saying that at Worlds, the one who wins is the one who improves the fastest, while G2 coach's opinion from last year seemed to be that the one who deteriorates the least wins. There are some other details that I left out, but the overall ideas and concepts are here.

o k guys it is your boy kong)balding back again for another lets play video and today we will be speed runnning league of legend so basically stay tuned until end for neww w merhc anannoucnemt !!!!!!!!!!!
atrox - ok so i think he is kinda cool but they killed my boy for the rework so maybe not sorry boris
ahri - not as quirky as nami why even in game ?
akali - more quirky than ahri but ninja scary shroud make axe not hit
alistar - godless abomination but he is purple and has cool horns so thats pretty cool
ammu - has no friends so you should be his friend that is very alpha i think but if he ults you beat him up because that is not friendly of him
aniviv - what the fuck is this
annie - nobody plays this champ
aphelis - i dont really like kpop
ashe - why here auto range so long and slow turbo cancer actual annoy lane matchup
marcus aurelius - i mean he is a dragon which is pretty cool i actually like this guy
acer - he is cool yellow bird like big bird from sesame street pretty cool if ask me 😎😎
brad - wtf is a meep ???!??!?!?!11?
blicrank - just dodge his hooki its not even hard man?
bran - why he do more damage than me on sport role???
braum - tyler1 did not like him back in like season 6 or something so i do not like him but compared to the new cancers he is not that bad i think
caitlyn - hat looks dumb
cameile - wtf you are 0/10 but second q did 942 true dmg to me ?
cassiopeia - i think snakes are cool
cho'gath- if he has nightmare skin be very afraid that means very skilled cho'gath player but any other skin probably a kid literally no one but kids play cho'gath
corki - mashallah
darius - he has axe and it spin and he draven brother pretty cool
diana - was cancer pre update is still cancer post update like wtf riot how do i even play against ?
dr. mundo - has medical license seems like cool guy
draven - if you see another draven you are playing blind pick so are you okay ? everything going good in your life? if you are to the point where you are playing blind pick you can just dm me man i promise it will get better : ))
ekko - if you play this champ fuck you
elise - she cute
evelynn - see ekko
ezreal - just click
fiddlesticks - fidlestick throuw le crouw do le damaaj
fiora - i am up 3 lvls and 2 items why she still beat me
fizz - flop
galio - why my galio never ult me but enemy galio use himself as drone strike and i am children's hospital???
gangplank - i like oranges so he is pretty cool
garen - you can try to be friends with garen players but its like befriending a wild animal. like if you stop feeding them they will probably just forget you
gnar - kinda cute i think, and he have spinning boomerang
grags - i think if grags in real life he would be american like me we have same body type pretty swagger i think
grave - ummmmi actually think grave kinda cool but if you just abusing him because this meta maybe ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
hecarim - has he been a think since like s7?
heemerhonger - turret
illaoi - nice biceps jus like draven
irelia - i thought she was kinda quirky but her face look kinda weird in that one cimematic lmk what you think gis
ivern - put shield on me so i get one shot by the full support sona in 1 second instead of .5 ty ivrern
janna - ahhahashdahahahahhahahahah
jarvan iv - idk i dont really have much opinion on him he is pretty cool i think
jacks - Counter Strike EFFECT RADIUS: 300CAST TIME: NONECOST: 50 / 60 / 70 / 80 / 90 MANACOOLDOWN: 16 / 14 / 12 / 10 / 8 Counter Strike ACTIVE: Jax enters Evasion, a defensive stance, for 2 seconds, causing all non-Turret icon turret basic attacks against him to be dodged. Jax also takes 25% reduced damage from all champion area of effect abilities. Counter Strike can be recast after 1 second.
At the end of the duration, Jax Stun icon stuns all nearby enemies for 1 second and deals physical damage to them, increased by 20% for each attack dodged, up to a 100% increase.
MINIMUM PHYSICAL DAMAGE:» 55 / 80 / 105 / 130 / 155 (+ 50% bonus AD) RECAST: Jax ends Counter Strike early.
jayce - ok
jhin - last time a jhin was useful in your game ?? me was 1992
jinx - who
kai-sa - at least she isnt' meta anymore
kalista - put this champ out of meta agin pls
karma - why my karma always shield herself its every karma player
karthis - literally who
kassadin - fuck you
katarina - fuck you
kayle - i like morgana better
kayn - i thought he was cool before a few patches ago but now he is in everygame and kinda fucking annoying ?
kennenn - i feel like kennen plaers are dogshit 99.99% of the time and their champs broken ult puts them 2 divisions higher than they should be ?
kha'zix - champ was released like 30 years ago so you might even beat him in 1v1 if he not fed
kindred - furry wtf
kled - bro kled players are fucking psychopaths if they somehow lose lane on their broken ass champ they just ult down botlane and it works every time
kog'maw - mog'kaw spit liek pllblbrlbrlbrlrltrltrtlrltbrbtbrtlrtbrtltrtt
leblanc - in season 10 ?
lee sin - ahaha he's blind nice eyes dumbfuck
leaon - i mean she is pretty quirky but why she hitting me with her sword and where my hp go ? does chain vest give damage now or something wtf??
liaaasndr - if you are fed fuck this cdhamp i think
lucian - literally just worse version of draven but got fed up with bot and went to solo lanes he cute
lulu - she turn me into turtle wtf
lux - hehe xd
malphite - takes frequent visits to lux skull, cannot decide if malphite players are more attractive or intelligent like rock solid brother
malzahar - purprle
maokai - maokai
master yi - if funneler maybe malphite should visit (in game), if not funneler maybe malphite should visit (in game)
miss forutne - 🥰🥰
mordekaiser - ult me dumbfuck i win that 1v1 everytime if you buy qss you are maybe like big weiner
morgan - i like her better than kayle
nami - sexy fish most quirky i like name she is fihs
nasus - wtf my toplaner just free farm with nasus why he have 400 armor and one shto me?
nautilus - like leona but not even quirky wtf
neeko - can turn into more darwin very good i think and also has tail copter go wsssh wwwsssh i like neeko
nidalee - wtf furry
nocturne - why they put heat seeking missles in game
noo noo william - wilpump
olaf - i guess this riot's prototype draven he kinda cute but also he beat my skull in
orianna - why
ornn - like why even queue up if you want to play this champ just so boring and broken for no reason
pantheon - nice hat
poppy - draven probably punt poppy across 3 football fields
pyke - he good i think also can just execute give me cash in and also he green kinda cute
qiyana - 200 years dogshit company
quinn - revery quinn i want to turn into bird
rakan - wtf is this guy even also every rakan i have is dogshit i think every rakan player should become a enchanter slave : ))
rammus - roll
rek'sai - i mean she cute but will gank you 6 times before you are level 3 so like wtf rexxar
renekton - boom waddup
rengar - idk hes a cat i guess not a cute as yummy
river - ahahaha river in s10
grumble - wtf is this ?? why they put a squirrel in a robot? looks like a fucking neopet
ryze - blue?
sejuani - i mean she literally never die but as least cant kill me : ___)
senna - fuck you riot
sett - idk
shaq - i have never seen a good shaco support ever, did they just coinflip their way to my high rank (silver 2)
shon - ult me dumbfuck do you not want lp
syhvana - why her e make my hp go boom
singed - flip minion like a burger
sion - literally no one plays him
sivir - literally no one plays him
skarner - literally no one plays him
sona - why even play sona, only champ that gets one shot faster than adcs
sorka - revert pls i want to give my teammates mana :)
sawin - e hitbox fatter than my cock like ???? make him a midlaner agin so i dont have to play againt him not quirky at all
sylas - season 10 xd
syndra - kinda cancerr but kinda quirky
tahm kenhc - ?? wtf is he? he is fish? he is frog ? i like him he cute
taliay - big nose haha
talon - havent seen one in a while idk
taric - lol
teemo - maybe qss for blind but he kinda useless i want to stuff this hamster into sock and swing into wall (in game)
thresh - non degen supports play him so he cute
tristana - bomb go boom
trundle - wtf he smashing my skull with ice
tryndamere - champ is just cringe i dont even dislike him but like wtf who decides they wanna play tryndlemere
twisted fate - cards cute
twitch - umm he is kinda stinky 😝😝 but he also kinda quirky ngl 😳😳
udyr - why
urgot - alpha swag boss alpha monster swagger
varus - poke varus make me want make computer go boom boom, nerf pls, on hit is swagger tho
vayne - in season 10?
veijar - i want to lock him in a cabinet with no food or water for 2 months 🥰🥰
vel'koz - literally who
vi - if your teammate picks can just lock in nunu, if enemy picks enjoy free lp unless your jg is a complete mong, this champ is so dogshit useless like holy fuck just dont die to ganks for like 5 minutes
viktor - bzzzzrt
vladimir - fuck this champ he so fucking good reee
volibear - revert pls
warwick - revert pls 0 skill
wukong - holy fuck please revert i cant take another 3 minute knock up wtf why riot
xayah - she cool i think
xerth - he cool i think
xin zhao - nobody play him but he is just like version of vi that is not complete dogshit
yasuo - lol
yorwick - hes actually kinda broken but big arms so cool i think
yummy - my pet cat i lock in cage and forget about in closet sorry yummy
zac - why
zed - in season 10
zigg - my faboirte he go boom
zilean - also go boom but dog fucking useless but he old so its okay
zoe - fuck you riot : ))
zyra - pretty quirky also cool plants i like zyraw
ok guys that is it for this episode lmk what you think in the comments below
your friend,
king_ball

We are about to reach over 150 champions this year , the problem is the same which affects TFT when they keep wanted to release new champions for that mode.
This game had under 60 champions when it leave beta ,and it also had 3 bans per team , that considering that among time Rioters give each team 2 extra bans and the fact that the amount of champions is reaching 3 x the amount of champions it had on release ,there must be a subject open on this.
My own idea ,was to create pool sets 1/2/3 , split champions among different sets , across how old they are , counter options if you pick smth, or based on how new they are .
Exemple:
Pool 1:
ADC: Ashe,jinx,tristana,sivir,twitch,kog maw
Pool 2:
ADC: Lucian,Varus,Draven,Miss fortune,kalista,vayne
Pool 3:
ADC: Xayah,Kai'sa ,Aphelios,Ezreal,Jhin,senna
This is an exemple for ADC role ,So if i am ADC main jinx , i go play pool 1 , the pool 1 has only those champions to pick as ADC .
The unknown problem , is how that affects waiting times for que ranked(here it comes balance across champions popularity), the point is that the game will still have the same amount of champions ,but the difference would be that , if you want to play a champion in ADC Role , let's say you wanna try a new champion ,so you select pool 3 and play regarding that.
When there will be more champions in pool 3 , then the pool 4 will be rolling out.
In this way , the new released champions getting balanced towards old outdated champions , and feels much more fun and less stressful . Also it allows you to master the game across different champions and doesn't feel overwhelming for new players.
About pro plays/tournaments ,those would run as usually happens now .(no pool restrictions/ only ranked would work as following=> normal games not affected/aram games/urf/events neither).
I feel like pro players will love this , they could run back in past and play the league as it use to be season 1/2/3/4 .
Or another idea , it would be to split champions on seasons pools(+- some champions to balance and feel every pool has low waiting times and better experience in ranked).
Season pool S1/S2/S3/S4 have some champions early been
Season pool S5/S6/S7 have some champions from early game , and some champions get removed from previous pool season ,to feel balanced.
Season pool S8/S9/S10 champions from this seasons released + some champions from season pool 5/6/7 ,and some base champs from season 1/2/3/4 , to feel balanced.